An art collector and scientist claiming to be Jeffrey Epstein’s best friend for decades referred to the pedophile’s underage victims as ‘trollops’ who were complicit and claimed he had a mental disorder which made him crave sex.
Stuart Pivar, 89, an industrialist based in New York, spoke in a wide-ranging and rambling interview about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein until he claimed he cut contact when he started to ‘notice certain things’ about his behavior.
Epstein, 66, killed himself August 10 in the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan while awaiting trial next year on federal sex-trafficking charges. Numerous women in the United States have claimed they were sexually abused by Epstein.
Pivar helped establish the New York Academy of Art alongside Andy Warhol and Epstein would later serve on the academy’s board.
Stuart Pivar, 89, an industrialist based in New York, spoke in a wide-ranging and rambling interview about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein until he he cut contact with him when he started to ‘notice certain things’ about his behavior
Stuart Pivar, 89, (left), who said he was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, referred to the pedophile’s underage victims as ‘trollops’ who were complicit and claimed he had a mental disorder which made him crave sex.
He claimed Epstein was ‘profoundly sick’ and put his sexual compulsions down to a condition called ‘satyriasis,’ suggesting that he could treat himself to sex three times a day with young girls because he had the financial means to do so.
Asked if he believed Epstein was guilty of the allegations against him, Pivar told Mother Jones: ‘Let’s put it this way. What’s the difference between the punishment which befalls a murderer and a serial murderer? It’s the same.
‘If Jeffrey Epstein was found guilty of fooling around with one 16-year-old trollop, nobody would pay any attention. The trouble is, what he did was quantitative and not qualitative.’
‘What Jeffrey did is nothing in comparison to the rapes and the forceful things, which people did. Jeffrey had to do with a bunch of women who were totally complicit.
‘For years, they went, came there time and time and time again. And if there was only one of them who did it, no one would have noticed—except he made an industry out of it.’
Pivar claimed Epstein ‘shielded’ him from lurid behavior during their friendship and he never witnessed him assaulting young girls.
He also said that Epstein never invited him to what he called the ‘Isle of Babes,’ an island owned by the financier just off the southeast coast of St. Thomas.
Federal authorities consider Little St. James Island to have been Epstein’s primary residence in the United States, a place where at least one alleged victim said in a court affidavit that she participated in an orgy as well as had sex with Epstein and other people.
Sources say Epstein flew girls into St. Thomas then shuttled them over to his island on a boat named after his alleged madam Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite accused of soliciting young girls on his behalf.
Pivar added: ‘I never saw him fool around with—in fact, Jeffrey was a very, very close friend of mine.
Pivar, (pictured), claimed Epstein was ‘profoundly sick’ and put his sexual compulsions down to a condition called ‘satyriasis,’ and suggested that he could treat himself to sex three times a day with young girls because he had the financial means
Pivar claimed Epstein asked him to take care of Ghislaine Maxwell while she was profoundly depressed following the death of her father, the media mogul Robert Maxwell. Epstein is pictured together with Maxwell in 1995
‘And he shielded me. I never saw what he did until finally I did notice certain things, and that was the end of me having to do with him.
‘But for a very long time, for years and years and years, Jeffrey did amazing, incredible, amazing, remarkable things for science and all kinds of stuff. He was a very, very good friend to me.
‘He never invited me to the Isle of Babes, luckily. I never knew it was even there.’
In 1995, Pivar met an aspiring artist named Maria Farmer, who claims she was sexually assaulted by Epstein and Maxwell in an Ohio apartment.
In an affidavit, she also claimed Epstein and Maxwell ‘took an interest’ in her younger sister Annie and took both of them to a movie in New York where he ‘rubbed her in a sexual manner’ without her knowledge.
She claimed in her deposition that the pair then flew Annie to a ranch in New Mexico and ‘touched her inappropriately’ on a massage table in 1996 when she was just 15, according to the affidavit.
He recalled meeting her at a New York flea market where she told him a ‘terrible thing’ about Epstein which is when he first became aware of the other life he was leading.
Pivar claimed he attended lavish dinner parties hosted by Epstein along with scientists and other philosophical thinkers, despite he said, Epstein having ‘no knowledge whatsoever about anything’
Pivar claimed that Epstein ‘did stuff with underage girls, by the hundreds, who knew what the hell they were doing’ and made an industry out of it
‘One day at the flea market there was Maria Farmer there, and I said, “What are you doing here?.”
‘And she told me this bizarre story, and then Jeffrey shows up, and I realized oh my god something was happening after years and years, which he didn’t tell me.’
‘Jeffrey brought her there, and what he did to Maria was inexcusable, of course. He locked her up, and she couldn’t get away, and her father had to come and rescue her. That’s a story she told.
‘And, of course, that’s the least of what she told me. Forget that, her little sister, for Christ’s sake, the guy actually brought her to his place and did those kind of things, which, of course, is inexcusable and that’s the kind of thing which satyriasists do because they can’t help themselves.’
Pivar claimed he attended lavish dinner parties hosted by Epstein along with scientists and other philosophical thinkers, despite he said, Epstein having ‘no knowledge whatsoever about anything.’
He recalled having a conversation at one point about gravity and Epstein interjected with the expression: ‘What has that go to do with p***y.?’
Pivar said that Epstein never invited him to what he called the ‘Isle of Babes,’ an island owned by the financier just off the southeast coast of St. Thomas
Sources say Epstein flew girls into St. Thomas then shuttled them over to his island on a boat named after his alleged madam Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite accused of soliciting young girls on his behalf
Pivar claimed: ‘While everybody was watching, we began to realize he didn’t know what he was talking about.
‘Then after a couple of minutes—Jeffrey had no attention span whatsoever—he would interrupt the conversation and change it and say things like, “What does that got to do with p***y?!.”
‘That was his favorite expression. It was a subject changer. And it revealed what was really in his mind.
‘Of course, that was the only thing that was going on in his mind. The poor guy had—it’s hard to, you can’t describe Jeffrey.
‘And because he had dough, he was able to realize the weirdest situations, which he would convoke by bringing brilliant people together and proposing silly ideas at dinner, and everyone would listen because he was handing out dough.
‘And it was an indescribable situation—trying to create some kind of a mini university of thought while he himself knew zero.’
Pivar claimed Epstein asked him to take care of Ghislaine Maxwell while she was depressed following the death of her father, the media mogul Robert Maxwell.
Pivar described Ghislaine Maxwell as a ‘basketcase’ and he had helped her following the death of her father Robert
Asked if this happened when he first met Epstein, he claimed: ‘No, that was much later. I knew Jeffrey a long time before that. But when she arrived, after her father jumped off the boat or whatever happened, she was a total wreck.
‘And my job was to amuse her, take her to dinner and lunch and what have you until she finally came around, and then was okay.
‘When I watched this happen, I had no idea what the hell it was all about. And the idea that no one has recognized that Jeffrey was profoundly sick, with a male counterpart of nymphomania, which he could not control.’
Pivar claimed that Epstein ‘did stuff with underage girls’, by the hundreds, who ‘knew what the hell they were doing’ and made an industry out of it.
‘If he only did one, no one would pay attention. Nor, on the other hand, did he actually rape any of them or anything like that, which happens, you know.
‘If you want to make a list of, let us say, in the past several years, of the kind of stuff going on of sexual abuse of children and what the hell not—you want to compare that with what Jeffrey did?.
‘What Jeffrey did in comparison with the kind of stuff which gets exposed every day of people who are abusing children left and right and all kinds of institutions? Jeffrey never did anything like that. Everything he had to do with these girls was complicit.’
Pivar recalled bringing Epstein to a prominent art dealer to buy furniture along with an assistant who was a ‘very attractive young girl.’
He claimed Epstein grabbed her from behind and squeezed her as he interjected and said: “Jeffrey put her down! What are you doing?.”
‘And the three or four of us who were watching were horrified, and he put her down. He was out of control. Have you ever seen anyone do a thing like that?.’
He claimed Epstein would rely on him to help him furnish him with art at his numerous residences , adding that it amused him to ‘have fake art in his house.’
Maria Farmer claimed she and her sister, Annie, (pictured), were both sexually exploited by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Maria claimed in her deposition that the pair flew Annie to a ranch in New Mexico and ‘touched her inappropriately’ on a massage table in 1996
During the interview, Pivar apparently referred to Virginia Roberts Giuffre as a ‘trollop’. She alleged that she was trafficked by Maxwell and Epstein to have sex with and provide erotic massages for politicians and affluent businessmen.
‘Jeffrey had a collection of underage Rodins, for example, because what difference does it make if it’s real or not real? And if the real one costs nothing and the expensive one—it doesn’t make a difference.
‘He was amused to put one over on the world by having fake art. He thought that he was seeing through the fallacy.’
The conversation between Pivar and Mother Jones reporter Leland Nally took place and was posted on its website.
He concluded by saying: ‘I had no idea of what the hell Jeffrey was doing in all the years I knew him until it became clear, and then I divorced myself from having anything to do with him.
‘But before that happened, for years and years and years, I watched Jeffrey do all kinds of interesting and amazing things, scientifically and so on.’
The reporter also claimed that Pivar apparently referred to Virginia Roberts Giuffre, now 33, as a ‘trollop.’
Giuffre accused the pair of keeping her as a ‘sex slave’ in the early 2000s when she was underage, after meeting Maxwell in Mar-a-Lago where she had a summer job.
She alleged in a May 3, 2016 deposition that she was trafficked by the pair to have sex with and provide erotic massages for politicians and affluent businessmen.
He claimed: ‘That trollop, who, for months, or whatever the hell she did. What the hell was she doing all this time? And she has made an industry for herself out of inventing calumnies against all of these respectable people.’