Joe Rogan has hosted more than 1,800 people on his podcast since starting the show in 2009, but he has now revealed the worst one in its history.

Archaeologist Dr Zahi Hawass joined Rogan on May 13 to discuss the mysteries of ancient Egypt, but the former Minister of Antiquities gave dismissive responses, continually interrupted and answered nearly every question with ‘it’s in my book.’

Shortly after the episode was released, the public attacked calling Dr Hawass Rogan’s ‘worst guest.’ Now, the podcaster has affirmed the claims while speaking with football star Aaron Rodgers who asked a question about Dr Hawass.

‘That might have been the worst podcast I have ever done, but maybe a good one too,’ said Rogan. ‘Just to see this closed-minded minded fellow that’s been in charge of Gatekeeping all the knowledge about Egypt.’

Rodgers quickly highlighted how Dr Hawass so easily dismissed a discovery beneath the Giza pyramids, even though satellite images showed massive structures thousands of feet below.

Dr Hawass appeared to be combative when Rogan inquired about the structures, saying it was ‘bulls***,’ admitting he was not familiar with the technology behind the imaging and stating, ‘I’m not a scientist.’

In March, a team of Italian researchers released satellite images that appeared to reveal massive vertical shafts stretching more than 2,000 feet under the Khafre pyramid, one of the three ancient structures at Giza.

The images sparked international intrigue and speculation about hidden chambers or unknown structures buried deep below.

Joe Rogan said his podcast with archaeologist Dr Zahi Hawass was the worst episode he has done in its 16-year history

Joe Rogan said his podcast with archaeologist Dr Zahi Hawass was the worst episode he has done in its 16-year history

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The controversy centers on claims by Corrado Malanga (University of Pisa), Filippo Biondi (University of Strathclyde), and Egyptologist Armando Mei, who shared satellite images allegedly showing vertical shafts beneath the Khafre pyramid.

Their work has not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal.

Rogan, however, called the images ‘fascinating,’ pointing to how the researchers used tomographic radar to map interior structures, including the Tomb of Osiris.

‘I brought up how one of the temples that they scanned with this was very accurate. And he’s like, ‘but this was only 50 feet down,” Rogan told the football quarterback.

The Tomb of Osiris, an ancient underground burial complex in Giza, is known for its three levels, including an entry chamber, a room with sarcophagi and a flooded subterranean chamber believed to be a symbolic tomb of Osiris.

This complex was first mentioned by Herodotus and rediscovered in the 1930s, with Dr Hawass exploring it in 2008.

Rogan said that even though the archaeologists questioned the scan of the tomb, the technology showed capable of ‘an accurate representation of what’s inside there.’

‘He was the one, Zahi, who supposedly discovered it,’ the podcaster told Rodgers. 

‘But he’s discovered everything, basically. He’s the best.’ 

Archaeologist Dr Zahi Hawass joined Rogan on May 13 to discuss the mysteries of ancient Egypt , but the former Minister of Antiquities gave dismissive responses, continually interrupted and answered nearly every question with 'it's in my book'

Archaeologist Dr Zahi Hawass joined Rogan on May 13 to discuss the mysteries of ancient Egypt , but the former Minister of Antiquities gave dismissive responses, continually interrupted and answered nearly every question with ‘it’s in my book’

The row between Rogan and Dr Hawass began when the podcaster brought up the discovery under the Giza pyramids, highlighting how the team accurately captured the structures inside the Tomb of Osiris

The row between Rogan and Dr Hawass began when the podcaster brought up the discovery under the Giza pyramids, highlighting how the team accurately captured the structures inside the Tomb of Osiris

During the podcast with Dr Hawass, Rogan asked about evidence for pyramid construction tools and other findings. 

But instead of answering directly, Hawass repeatedly redirected him to his book and interrupted follow-up questions, frustrating many listeners.

‘Are there photos of this online?’ Rogan asked. ‘Yes, in my book,’ the archaeologist replied.

Dr Hawass also cut off Rogan when he brought up hieroglyphics in the Great Pyramid, steering the conversation back to his own narrative, something many users on X pointed out as a recurring pattern.

‘He literally couldn’t let Joe finish one sentence,’ one user posted.

The conversation took a sharper turn when it shifted to the structures beneath the Giza pyramids.

In March, a team of Italian researchers released satellite images that appeared to reveal massive vertical shafts stretching more than 2,000 feet under the Khafre pyramid, one of the three ancient structures at Giza. Pictured are alleged shafts

In March, a team of Italian researchers released satellite images that appeared to reveal massive vertical shafts stretching more than 2,000 feet under the Khafre pyramid, one of the three ancient structures at Giza. Pictured are alleged shafts 

Rogan made the admission to football star Aaron Rodgers who also joked about Dr Hawass' appeareance on the podcast

Rogan made the admission to football star Aaron Rodgers who also joked about Dr Hawass’ appeareance on the podcast

‘So, why are you dismissing it?’ Rogan asked after Dr. Hawass admitted he is not a scientist. 

‘Because I investigated it, and I found it’s wrong,’ Hawass responded, without offering further details.

Throughout much of the episode, Dr Hawass focused on his accomplishments. ‘And this is all what I discovered. This is my discovery of everything,’ he said.

Rogan later told Aaron Rodgers that he only invited Dr Hawass onto the podcast because of Graham Hancock, a historian known for promoting alternative theories about ancient civilizations and lost knowledge.

The two—Hancock and Hawass—have a long history of disagreements, particularly around Hancock’s controversial claims and Hawass’s traditionalist views.

In fact, back in 2015, they clashed ahead of a planned debate at The Mena House Hotel in Egypt. 

During Hancock’s presentation, a photo of Robert Bauval, the man behind the Orion Correlation Theory (OCT), triggered an angry outburst from Dr. Hawass, who launched into a string of personal insults directed at both Hancock and his wife.

OCT is a fringe hypothesis that suggests a deliberate alignment between the three pyramids of Giza and the three stars in Orion’s Belt (part of the constellation Orion). 

Armando Mei (center) and his team, which includes Corrado Malanga (right) and Filippo Biondi (left), took the world by storm last month when they discovered shafts and chambers more than 2,000 feet below the surface.

Armando Mei (center) and his team, which includes Corrado Malanga (right) and Filippo Biondi (left), took the world by storm last month when they discovered shafts and chambers more than 2,000 feet below the surface.

Dr Hawass dismissed the theory as ‘nonsense’ and labeled all of Hancock’s ideas as ‘lies.’

In response, Hancock called the outburst ‘an embarrassment to Egypt’ and accused Hawass of behaving like a ‘thug.’

He added that Hawass was afraid of open debate, saying, ‘He doesn’t want his views challenged because they can’t stand up to scrutiny.’

During a recent episode of the podcast, Rogan added some context: ‘So they patched up something,’ he said. 

‘That was one of the reasons Zahi came on,because Graham talked to him and said, ‘Zahi wants to do this. We’re friends now.”

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