Nightclubs, community sport and international travel will be back for NSW residents once 80 per cent of over 16s are fully vaccinated as the state transitions towards living with Covid-19, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet has revealed.
In an interview with Daily Mail Australia, an upbeat and optimistic Mr Perrottet predicted a glorious summer boom for the state’s economy after residents are finally released from a four-month lockdown in October.
He said the country must open up to the world because ‘we can’t live in a hermit kingdom’ for much longer – and he expects quarantine for overseas arrivals including foreigners to be removed entirely next year.
Mr Perrottet revealed that nightclubs were initially supposed to re-open at the 70 per cent vaccination stage but were pushed back. Pictured: The Ivy club in Sydney before lockdown
Mr Perrottet warned that once the state starts to open up with 70 per cent fully jabbed, suburb lockdowns may be required to stem any large Covid outbreaks but state-wide shutdowns would be over for good.
New South Wales has become the first state in the nation to relax Covid rules with high case numbers due to its soaring vaccination rates. Half the state has been fully jabbed and just over 80 per cent have had a single dose.
The government’s roadmap to freedom allows a moderate easing of restrictions when the double dose rate hits 70 per cent, expected in mid October, including the return of pubs, gyms and hair salons with strict density requirements.
Crisis cabinet is currently working on what life looks like when 80 per cent are jabbed, which is expected four weeks later in mid November, but Mr Perrottet said the relaxation at that stage would be ‘much greater’ and see life return back to near normal.
Nightclubs and sport
Mr Perrottet revealed that nightclubs and community sport were initially supposed to re-open at the 70 per cent stage but were pushed back due to the growth of the state’s outbreak which has seen 43,779 locally acquired cases since June 16.
‘Nightclubs were something that were substantially discussed at 70 per cent [vaccination rate] and it was pushed to 80 per cent,’ he told Daily Mail Australia.
‘The other one was community sport. There were areas of substantive debate for 70 so I think you can expect at 80 per cent that clubs will be open again and that’s obviously important because younger people are in many ways the ones that have been hit very hard.
‘Your early years at university and college are the best years of your life and we want to get the pubs and clubs open again and we want to bring fun back to our state.
‘And that’s going to happen,’ he said.
Community sport is expected to restart when 80 per cent of over 16s are fully jabbed in NSW
Mr Perrottet also flagged the return of packed footy stadiums which will be capped at 5,000 spectators between 70 and 80 per cent vaccination thresholds.
‘Last year we looked at the world as we opened up and we saw hospitals being overwhelmed, substantial restrictions in place and we thought how lucky we were to be living in Australia,’ he said.
‘Now as Australians, and particularly in NSW, we’ve got restrictions in place and you look overseas and we see the US open packed, the premier league with packed crowds and we go ”we want to have that” and that’s what we’re going to have here in NSW as we open up in a safe way.’
International and inter-state travel
On Friday NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the state would start a four-week trial of home quarantine for returning Australians with the aim of stamping out hotel quarantine by the time the borders open late this year.
Qantas is preparing to restart international flights on December 18 and Mr Perrottet said NSW residents will be able to fly to London and New York before Perth or Brisbane because Western Australia and Queensland are still pursuing a Covid elimination strategy and keeping their borders closed.
Asked if that was an absurd situation, he said: ‘That’s just the reality.
Australians will be allowed on overseas holidays even if some state borders are still closed when 80 per cent are vaccinated. Pictured: Sydney passengers before lockdown
‘We’re talking about returning international students, we’re talking about returning Australians. We’re opening up businesses and the next step is opening up borders,’ he said.
‘If we can lead the way on international travel that’s going to be a great thing for the state.
‘And hopefully that will then lead to other states following us. It might be ironic that you can get to Bali before you can get to Broome but that’s where we’re heading.’
We can’t live in a hermit kingdom, we have to rejoin the world
NSW Treasurer Dominic Perrottet
The Treasurer said premiers in other states who are nervous about opening up will be eventually pushed into action by their voters who will want to travel once more.
‘What I want to see in the other states is that as we move through this period and as we rejoin the world, that other states and the Australian people will say well ”we want to have that too” and that means living alongside the virus,’ he said.
‘There is no evidence of Covid going away and we can’t hide from it indefinitely.
‘We can’t live in a hermit kingdom, we have to rejoin the world.
‘I think it’s pretty clear that NSW and Victoria will be the two states that move together on achieving that,’ he added.
Treasurer Dominic Perrottet with his budget papers
Mr Perrottet said international travel was crucial to Australia’s success, with tourism bringing in $42billion a year to the NSW economy.
‘Over time our role as a government is to lead our people into great opportunity and prosperity and it’s not just for us, it’s for our kids as well and that’s our focus and I think overtime that’s where Australians will want to be,’ he said.
Mr Perrottet said hotel quarantine will be replaced by home isolation this year and then removed altogether for the fully vaccinated next year.
‘My expectation is that we will get through this trial and if it’s successful we will shift from hotel quarantine to home quarantine and the next step after that is just logical,’ he said.
‘If somebody is fully vaccinated, coming from overseas, they shouldn’t be treated any differently from people who are vaccinated who are living here. As we rejoin the world, it will make no sense for people [to quarantine].
‘And Australians as well, if we’re going to be travelling overseas we don’t want to do seven days or 14 days quarantine either. That’s just not going to work.
‘Ultimately we’re going to end up in a situation where right across the world the majority of people have been vaccinated and we move on and enjoy the opportunities we had before this virus came to be.’
Will we need lockdowns again?
Australia’s national re-opening plan says lockdowns become ‘less likely but possible’ when 70 per cent are jabbed and only ‘highly targeted’ when 80 per cent are vaccinated.
Mr Perrottet said we ‘can’t continue’ to have state-wide lockdowns but did not rule out localised restrictions.
Asked if lockdowns will be needed after the 70 per cent jab rate is reached, he said: ‘I certainly don’t want to see that.
‘I think where the future lies is more targeted interventions in suburbs rather than broader areas.
‘We haven’t got a crystal ball but I think in the future if you’ve got people that have received two doses of the vaccine then that gives us a greater opportunity to be more open but there maybe time when we need to target certain tighter restrictions if there is an outbreak in an area.’
Sydney residents enjoy a picnic in Double Bay on Friday after NSW allowed fully vaccinated people to hang out in groups of five outdoors from September 13
The Treasurer said the government was working with health officials to determine when a suburb lockdown would be needed.
Ms Berejiklian has previously said these local lockdowns would be more like ‘lockouts’ where residents are banned from leaving an area but can still go to a pub or restaurant within it.
‘There are going to be difficulties as we open up, there will always be things that come our way but we’ve just got to face up to it,’ Mr Perrottet said.
‘Every generation before us had a challenge and this is our challenge.’
But the Treasurer vowed the days of a state-wide lockdowns are truly over.
This is not just a health crisis, this is a societal crisis too
‘We just can’t continue to do that for the good of our society,’ he said, pointing to the detrimental impact lockdowns have on mental health, especially for teenagers.
Lifeline is fielding 3,500 calls a day across the country, up from about 2,500 in 2019.
‘We’re seeing overseas that once you get that vaccination rate up and everything opens up then we get back to normality, particularly for younger people, Mr Perrottet said.
‘What I don’t want to see is a generational divide and we want to make sure that our younger people have greater opportunity than we have.
‘There’s going to be issues that come our way over this next period of time but we’re on the pathway to being able to open up safely and support people’s livelihoods.
‘This is not just a health crisis, this is a societal crisis too and we need to make sure that we move together.’
The government has aimed to provide certainty for young people by announcing the return to school will start on October 25 with Kindergarten and year one students.
Years two, six and 11 will return on November 1 and the rest go back on November 8.
NSW leading the way
Mr Perrottet, who is expected to take over as NSW Liberal leader when Ms Berejiklian retires, said the state has been leading the country in preparing residents to live alongside Covid.
Ms Berejiklian has been talking about vaccination, rather than low case numbers, being the path out of lockdown since July.
In contrast, Victoria – where cases are rising despite much harsher restrictions including banning tennis and golf – only abandoned its commitment to zero-Covid in September.
Mr Perrottet said the state has been leading the country in preparing residents to live alongside Covid. Pictured: Police ensure mask-wearing at Bondi Beach on September 12
Mr Perrottet suggested NSW is more ready to live with Covid because of a philosophical difference between his freedom-favouring Liberal government and the Victorian Labor government which believes in a large and interventionist state.
‘I think the people have done an amazing job in sticking to restrictions such as social distancing and mask-wearing but they’re not pleasant things,’ he said.
‘It’s not the government’s role to provide freedom, the default position is freedom.
‘We put restrictions in place to ensure the health and safety of people and ensure people are ready to go [to open up].
‘I believe NSW can play a leading role in opening up and if that helps the country off the back of it then that’s a very positive thing,’ he said.
Despite the political differences between state governments, Mr Perrottet said the ‘untold story’ of the pandemic was the ‘great collaboration’ between them.
‘I stole a lot of ideas from Treasurer Tim Pallas in Victoria and he stole some of mine,’ he said in reference to discussions on business support packages.
The Treasurer and also said WA has been helpful in providing contact tracers to NSW during the most recent outbreak.
How will the economy respond?
Mr Perrottet is conscious that some businesses will still struggle due to the restrictions at the 70 per cent vaccination threshold – but is adamant that a staged re-opening is the right way to go.
‘The number one role of a government is to keep its people safe and that’s what we’ve done,’ he said.
‘At the same time my role is to make sure the economy and employment is front and centre of our decision-making alongside the health concerns and we balanced that very well last year.’
In a message of hope to small businesses, he said: ‘I know there is short-term pain.
‘But last year we recovered the 300,000 jobs we lost at the height of the pandemic and the economy was stronger at the end and I truly believe that’s where we will be again.’
The state budget in June predicted a deficit of $8.6billion in 2022 due to Covid spending measures including business support – but a surplus by 2025 as the economy recovers.
Mr Perrottet is adamant that a staged re-opening is the right way to go. Pictured: Patrons at the North Bondi RSL before lockdown
Asked if the re-opening plan was too cautious for some locked-down businesses, Mr Perrottet said: ‘I spend much of my day speaking to small businesses, speaking to industry groups about how we can get them open as quickly as possible.
‘It’s hard and it can appear that there are inconsistencies. People can’t married and that’s very tough. You can’t please everyone all the time, there are always competing interests, I accept that.
‘But you’ve got to do what’s right and I think by having a staged response at 70 and then 80 and beyond that we’ll come into a position this summer where trade is higher and we’re going to have a boom quarter in the last quarter of the calendar year.’
The Treasurer said while some people had lost work during lockdown, others who kept their jobs were saving record amounts because they could not spend their income.
‘The savings rate is high and if you look globally that is what happens after a lockdown and I have full confidence that as we come out of lockdown there will be boom in NSW,’ he said.
The NSW government will remove the first tranche of restrictions the Monday after the 70 per cent jab rate is hit, which is likely to be October 18 but could be October 11.
‘As we get close our health teams will give us a pretty clear idea of where they think that will be so we will certainly set that date,’ Mr Perrottet said.
‘We won’t just wake up one day and say ”OK have your freedoms back”.
‘The earlier the better and I think the fact that we set that roadmap has really encouraged people to get vaccinated.
‘People just want life to get back to where it was and the effort of our people has allowed this to happen.’