Joe Rogan’s podcast took a dramatic turn when a renowned archaeologist bluntly dismissed a discovery beneath the Giza pyramids as ‘bulls***.’

In March, a team of Italian researchers released satellite images that appeared to reveal massive vertical shafts stretching more than 2,000 feet under the Khafre pyramid, one of the three ancient structures at Giza. 

The images sparked international intrigue and speculation about hidden chambers or unknown structures buried deep below. 

Dr Zahi Hawass, Egypt’s former Minister of Antiquities and a vocal critic of the findings, joined Rogan’s podcast this week to promote his new book and discuss recent developments in Egyptology. 

While the conversation began cordial, things shifted when Rogan brought up the satellite images.

‘I investigated this,’ Hawass said firmly. ‘No one can tell you this is accurate. I asked every person who knows about radar and ultrasound—everyone who works with me. They said, ‘This is bulls***. It cannot happen at all.’

Rogan then pressed him: ‘Do you understand the technology behind the satellite imaging?’ Dr Hawass admitted he did not. ‘I’m not a scientist,’ he said.

The moment quickly went viral, with viewers noting that the outspoken archaeologist appeared rattled by the unexpected challenge.

Joe Rogan hosted Dr Zahi Hawass on his podcast this week where he grilled the archaeologist about a potential discovery beneath the Giza pyramids

Joe Rogan hosted Dr Zahi Hawass on his podcast this week where he grilled the archaeologist about a potential discovery beneath the Giza pyramids

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The podcast episode, released Wednesday, has since gone viral on X, with many users criticizing Dr Hawass as ‘a failure.’

One Joe Rogan fan account posted: ‘Zahi Hawass is full of it. Joe Rogan did a great job exposing him.’ 

Other X users called Dr Hawass ‘the worst guest’ to ever appear on the show.

The controversy centers on claims by Corrado Malanga (University of Pisa), Filippo Biondi (University of Strathclyde), and Egyptologist Armando Mei, who shared satellite images allegedly showing vertical shafts beneath the Khafre pyramid. 

Their work has not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal.

Rogan, however, called the images ‘fascinating,’ pointing to how the researchers used tomographic radar to map interior structures, including the Tomb of Osiris. 

Tomographic radar is an advanced imaging technique that uses radar waves to create 3D models of what lies beneath the surface of the ground, walls, or other solid objects.

When Rogan mentioned the scans of the Tomb of Osiris, Dr Hawass interrupted, saying, ‘I discovered it.’

Dr Hawass deemed the discovery 'bulls***,' saying there are no structures hidden beneath the Giza pyramids

Dr Hawass deemed the discovery ‘bulls***,’ saying there are no structures hidden beneath the Giza pyramids

Armando Mei (center) and his team, which includes Corrado Malanga (right) and Filippo Biondi (left), took the world by storm in March when they discovered shafts and chambers more than 2,000 feet below the surface.

Armando Mei (center) and his team, which includes Corrado Malanga (right) and Filippo Biondi (left), took the world by storm in March when they discovered shafts and chambers more than 2,000 feet below the surface.

The Osiris Shaft, an ancient underground burial complex in Giza, is known for its three levels, including an entry chamber, a room with sarcophagi and a flooded subterranean chamber believed to be a symbolic tomb of Osiris.

This complex was first mentioned by Herodotus and rediscovered in the 1930s, with Dr Hawass exploring it in 2008.

‘I know, I understand—you found it,’ Rogan responded. ‘But they also showed that it exists using the same technique,’ before being cut off again.

‘No, no. This is wrong. This is not true at all. I can tell you how I found it,’ Dr Hawass insisted.

Rogan tried once more to clarify that while Hawass discovered the tomb, the satellite imaging used by the scientists appeared to confirm and visualize known structures..

Dr Hawass dismissed the team’s findings as false, even as Rogan pointed out that their techniques appear to verify discoveries Hawass himself made.

Rogan, however, called the images 'fascinating,' pointing to how the researchers used tomographic radar to map interior structures, including the Tomb of Osiris (pictured)

Rogan, however, called the images ‘fascinating,’ pointing to how the researchers used tomographic radar to map interior structures, including the Tomb of Osiris (pictured)  

The Italian researchers shared images in March, showing what could be massive shafts below the pyramids

The Italian researchers shared images in March, showing what could be massive shafts below the pyramids 

Dr Hawass pushed back on the claims, arguing that the radar technology cannot penetrate beneath the pyramid to the extent the Italian researchers suggest. 

He stated that it only captured data about 50 feet below the Tomb of Osiris.

‘Right, but it’s showing that at least for 50 feet, the imaging is accurate,’ Rogan responded. ‘So what makes you believe those scientists over the team from Italy?’

Dr Hawass replied that the scientists he consulted had told him the technology was unreliable.

‘Well, these are scientists as well,’ said Rogan.

Dr Hawass added that he has not spoke with the Italian researchers, but Biondi told DailyMail.com that he and his team sent an official inquiry to the Egyptian Ministry of Culture some time ago, but never received a response. 

‘In all official statements we have released to the media, we have always expressed our willingness to engage in a direct and respectful dialogue with Dr Hawass,’ Biondi said.

The team also speculated that there could be a hidden city beneath the pyramids. Pictured is a scan showing unknown structures

The team also speculated that there could be a hidden city beneath the pyramids. Pictured is a scan showing unknown structures 

‘We have never shown him any disrespect. We are professionals, working in the interest of science and the reconstruction of the historical truth of our remote past. Controversy is not our concern, nor is it our objective.’

Rogan pressed Dr Hawass on why he so firmly dismissed the satellite-based findings.

‘So why are you dismissing it?’ Rogan asked. ‘I understand they published their findings, and you’re saying scientists told you it’s not true — but scientists are wrong all the time, especially biased ones.’

Hawass responded by citing his own research and a press release he issued, explaining that the base of the Khafre Pyramid is 28 feet of solid bedrock, making any underground structures impossible in his view.

The archaeologists remained adamant, saying: ‘They are the top scientists in the world. I have to believe them, not the Italians.’ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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