The latest episode of Meghan Markle’s Archetypes podcast saw her delve into the poetry of celebrity parenting guru Dr Shefali Tsabary – including reading lines on how women feel a ‘manic compulsion to be perfect’ and an ‘obsession to be voted popular’.
During the latest installment of the Spotify podcast, in which the Duchess, 41, welcomed her good friend, the First Lady of Canada, Sophie Trudeau, as her main guest, she read out Sacred Dreams, a poem by the best-selling Indian-born, New York-based author and clinical psychologist – who also counts Oprah as a fan.
Other guests on the podcast included actor Pamela Adlon and Saturday Night Live comic Sam Jay.
The 55-minute podcast, entitled ‘Good Wife/Bad Wife, Good Mom/Bad Mom’ – the ninth in the series – saw Meghan read the impassioned poem out in full, including the final line: ‘I’m ready to awaken into my renaissance’.
Dr Shefali describes herself as a ‘wisdom teacher’ and clinical psychologist, who uses Eastern mindfulness to help people deal with modern stresses.
The Duchess of Sussex was heard reading the poem Sacred Dreams by celebrity parenting guru Dr Shefali Tsabary, 49, who was born in India but lives in New York, in the latest episode of her Spotify podcast
![The 55-minute podcast saw Meghan read the poem in full - including the lines: 'I'm ready to awaken into my renaissance' and how 'righteousness, dogma and superiority' are repulsive.](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/11/64064909-11376905-image-m-10_1667300821829.jpg)
The 55-minute podcast saw Meghan read the poem in full – including the lines: ‘I’m ready to awaken into my renaissance’ and how ‘righteousness, dogma and superiority’ are repulsive.
One section of the poem included the lines: ‘There comes a time in the life of a woman when her desire to fit in with the crowd dissolves.
‘When her manic compulsion to be perfect vaporizes, and when her obsession to be voted popular, eviscerates.’
The Duchess of Sussex, who is currently living in her $14million mansion in California, alongside her husband Prince Harry, 38, and their two children, Archie, three, and Lilibet, one, released her latest episode on Tuesday.
The podcast also included clips from an interview with Dr Shefali about how women are perceived – and how Eastern mindfulness can help; the pair discussed the ‘loathing and shame’ that women can often feel.
Dr Shefali told Meghan: ‘We have fallen into this trap that we, as a modern woman, can do anything. Now, that sounds like a liberating message but it’s not so liberating, I would go as far and boldly to say it is toxic.
‘We are falling into this misguided beliefs about who we should be, these personas of perfectionism and grandiose delusion that we can do it all.
‘The pendulum swings the other way to great self-abnegation, loathing and shame, that’s the other side of that pendulum.
The US-based author has written four books, all of which have flown high in the New York Times’ best-sellers chart, with The Conscious Parent and The Awakened Family particularly fawned over by A-listers including Oprah Winfrey.
![Meghan Markle's star guest on her new Spotify podcast is First Lady of Canada Sophie Trudeau. Pictured in a photo booth in 2016](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/11/23576118-11376905-Meghan_Markle_s_star_guest_on_her_new_Spotify_podcast_is_First_L-m-3_1667300507605.jpg)
Meghan Markle’s star guest on her new Spotify podcast is First Lady of Canada Sophie Trudeau. Pictured in a photo booth in 2016
Clearly also a huge fan of her work, the Duchess of Sussex urged her listeners to take on board Dr Shefali’s advice on seeking perfectionism.
The expert said: ‘Don’t destroy your essence for this illusion of perfectionism or this image of The Good Wife of the good mother because those are just images their Illusions.
‘The best mother and the best woman you can be is the authentic one the one who is deeply connected to her own knowing and that doesn’t take effort that takes Stillness.
![Meghan Markle (pictured with Prince Harry and their children) has shared a glimpse of her 'whirlwind' morning routine on her latest Spotify podcast episode](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/11/64062737-11376905-Meghan_Markle_pictured_with_Prince_Harry_and_their_children_has_-a-11_1667301983598.jpg)
Meghan Markle (pictured with Prince Harry and their children) has shared a glimpse of her ‘whirlwind’ morning routine on her latest Spotify podcast episode
It takes quiet, it takes relaxation and And, you know, most women in their 50s and 60s learn this.’
Meghan Markle’s star guest on her new Spotify podcast is First Lady of Canada Sophie Trudeau – alongside Pamela Adlon and Sam Jay.
The friends spoke about the challenges of parenting and being a partner to two famous men in an episode called: ‘Good Wife/Bad Wife, Good Mom/Bad Mom’.
Introducing her friend Mrs Trudeau, Meghan calls he a ‘humanitarian mother’ who she met in Toronto at the city’s fashion week around seven years ago, when she was starring in Suits.
![](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/01/10/64063309-11376905-image-a-1_1667300256836.jpg)
She said: ‘Sophie has become a dear friend and someone who I think is so implemented of strength that comes from embracing your Humanity, even in the face of all these family and home and public pressures, keeping that sense of self while holding up the mantle of what comes with being a parent and a spouse’.
Ms Markle and Canada’s First Lady became friends when Meghan was filming Suits. The Duchess of Sussex became part of Toronto’s ‘platinum elite’, which also included their mutual friend Jessica Mulroney.
They posed together cheek-to-cheek on a Toronto rooftop bar in 2016 at the exclusive Soho House.
And it was Mrs Trudeau’s husband, who has been Canada’s PM since 2015, who urged his country to welcome the Sussexes after they emigrated from the UK. They would later move to LA.
***
Read more at DailyMail.co.uk